very insightful post...

karma...I look at it,as I mentioned in a previous post.anything outside that,becomes conceptual,and zen abhores concepts.

emptiness...if one tries to graps it conceptually(through lot of talk) is of ABSOLUTELY no use..why ? because you would be forever outside of it.it is not a matter f "undertanding"..

hence it should be EXPERIENTIAL,you have to beome one with it....how to do that ?

here is a gross simplification:

"..when the non- existence of self-nature in things is PERCIEVED(correct perception), then the AWARENESS of this non-existence is referred to as the correct perception of emptiness."...sounds simple...it is not.
try it and you will "see" by what I mean "not so simple".because we will be jumping back and forth
from concept or visualisation into another concept or visualization.very hard indeed.

it requires a leap,from conceptualization into its realization experientially.

Responses:

1. cont'd , posted by zenner , 02/16/09, 22:40:31.
2. lets debate karma , posted by Shine day to day , 02/17/09, 18:25:13.
   1. karma , posted by zenner , 02/18/09, 17:12:06.
      1. Clear , posted by anonymous , 02/18/09, 17:34:15.
   2. Oh Boy, , posted by Richard , 02/21/09, 11:40:16.
      1. No Results , posted by Shine Day to day , 02/21/09, 11:58:17.
         1. Beyond Duality , posted by Richard , 02/21/09, 12:55:57.
         2. vhDMiZJchYnKlWICt , posted by kzseyugk , 03/12/10, 04:51:47.
         3. lPMBeRhdhJfRRtAbuBI , posted by zljoyl , 07/07/10, 07:28:38.
      2. PS , posted by anonymous , 02/21/09, 12:03:04.
3. The usefullness of "seeing" emptiness , posted by shine day to day , 02/18/09, 17:22:37.
   1. PS , posted by Shine day to day , 02/18/09, 17:39:01.
      1. concepts , posted by zenner , 02/18/09, 23:02:53.
         1. Your house vs my house , posted by Shine day to day , 02/19/09, 17:54:14.
         2. Links and karmic observation , posted by shine day to day , 02/21/09, 03:27:24.
            1. karma , posted by zenner , 02/21/09, 15:53:14.
         3. Maybe we finish here , posted by Shine day to day , 02/22/09, 14:12:50.
            1. ZjUgqNckSGOQCkeuqU , posted by koezqpxne , 03/18/10, 23:50:50.
      
      
      
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