you said "..That "things" do not just appear from nothing.." where are those things that appear ?
my background is theortical physics so my answer will be rather skewed.

there is only "flux" an eternal movement...
NOT A MOVEMENT OF THINGS..BUT MOVEMENT ALONE"
if you bombard a patricle with sufficent energy,you will have more matter than what you started with,the additional matter has been \'created\' from part of the energy.(so basically it wasn't creat but produced)

basically nothing can be ceated!!a thing can be produced,but not ceated.as buddha said " from the begining nothing was ." I have read somewhere in kaballa,by zohar,that says "only an illusion can be created."

you might ask rightfully,that where does this "flux" came from ?

werner heisenberg,has proposed what is called
"the duplex world of heisenberg"too long to explain it here.,suffice it to say,amazingly budha came up with exactly the same notion..
"beyond this world exists a sphere that is neither of this world nor another nor is the combination of the two ,etc etc..
imlpicit and explicit orders.
some have even proposed that the universe is a hologram (better to cal it a holomovement)and we are part of it...it supposedly and is "projected "from somehwere in the univerese .

the idea of two people,(one prone to satori and the other not)contradicts the unity of the universe,and implies erroneousley a dualistic view.the two are "manifestations" of the same
thing.the person who had satori has "seen" into his original nature,(the emptiness of the self"the other is bound in his karma,ie. in his illusions.as to why it is so,it is like asking why the sun is the sun and not the moon.
I assume ,(underline assume)in the latter case there are hindrances..I don't know the details,any explanation would be conceptual and non scientific.
if there is no self,then who is this ,that has not attained satori ? pecisely..he is living a dream,he has not attained "awakning" yet.

there is a wonderfull passage by DR.david darling a noted physicist,that has made an "'assumption"
that seems fairly intellgent. he says ..

"death is a spring cleaning of body and mind,
you will be born again,with a new brain,body etc..but it will always seem that it is your
first time"i.e. the witnesser will always be there,not the manifestations.

I do not calim to have any answers,but it seems
highly illogical to believe that one comes "from nothing" and goes into "nothing"
but the phenomenal "I" which was an illusion in the first place,does not continue and ends with persons death.but the witnesser seems to be aloof and not subject to birth or death.

Responses:

1. What cause , posted by Shine day to day , 02/13/09, 02:24:29.
   1. causes ? , posted by zenner , 02/13/09, 14:59:35.
      1. lets take a look and "see" , posted by Shine day to day , 02/13/09, 18:11:46.
         1. truth , posted by zenner , 02/13/09, 20:27:46.
            1. addendum , posted by zenner , 02/13/09, 20:37:08.
               1. Mind and contents , posted by Shine day to day , 02/14/09, 05:21:25.
                  1. critique of causation by nagarjuna , posted by zener , 02/14/09, 18:31:25.
                     1. Heavy reading , posted by shine day to day , 02/14/09, 19:48:43.
                     2. Heavy reading , posted by shine day to day , 02/14/09, 19:49:10.
                        1. cXrWddpyRWz , posted by dybegv , 03/19/10, 01:02:36.
                           1. hlYGrhMpXT , posted by gujbxag , 06/06/10, 04:45:57.
                     3. future heaven , posted by Satya , 02/15/09, 04:44:52.
                        1. nice , posted by zenner , 02/15/09, 14:46:00.
                        2. inspired , posted by shine day to day , 02/15/09, 17:18:27.
                     4. Karma and emptiness , posted by Shine day to day , 02/16/09, 18:13:53.
                        1. emptiness , posted by zenner , 02/16/09, 22:30:23.
                           1. cont'd , posted by zenner , 02/16/09, 22:40:31.
                           2. lets debate karma , posted by Shine day to day , 02/17/09, 18:25:13.
                              1. karma , posted by zenner , 02/18/09, 17:12:06.
                                 1. Clear , posted by anonymous , 02/18/09, 17:34:15.
                              2. Oh Boy, , posted by Richard , 02/21/09, 11:40:16.
                                 1. No Results , posted by Shine Day to day , 02/21/09, 11:58:17.
                                    1. Beyond Duality , posted by Richard , 02/21/09, 12:55:57.
                                    2. vhDMiZJchYnKlWICt , posted by kzseyugk , 03/12/10, 04:51:47.
                                    3. lPMBeRhdhJfRRtAbuBI , posted by zljoyl , 07/07/10, 07:28:38.
                                 2. PS , posted by anonymous , 02/21/09, 12:03:04.
                           3. The usefullness of "seeing" emptiness , posted by shine day to day , 02/18/09, 17:22:37.
                              1. PS , posted by Shine day to day , 02/18/09, 17:39:01.
                                 1. concepts , posted by zenner , 02/18/09, 23:02:53.
                                    1. Your house vs my house , posted by Shine day to day , 02/19/09, 17:54:14.
                                    2. Links and karmic observation , posted by shine day to day , 02/21/09, 03:27:24.
                                       1. karma , posted by zenner , 02/21/09, 15:53:14.
                                    3. Maybe we finish here , posted by Shine day to day , 02/22/09, 14:12:50.
                                       1. ZjUgqNckSGOQCkeuqU , posted by koezqpxne , 03/18/10, 23:50:50.
   2. yyWTzmlMUt , posted by kcionfwmlaf , 06/06/10, 05:00:28.

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